Hating The Messenger For Hate's Sake

There has been no doubt that over the last few years this site has focused on the "Talbotites" -- Kenneth Talbot followers. Some of these are high profile ex-Full Preterists like Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield. And over these years, the Talbotites have been vicious haters of me; Bradfield went so far as to call my house and try to talk to my wife about me and even creepishly stalked out my place of work and called my boss to try to get me fired. All of this and yet the Talbotites continue to have people think they are honorable people.

Well, I want to revisit history; especially in light of Bradfield's latest article. Oddly enough, even with all his hatred, I have respect for Bradfield; always have. Of the pair, Frost and Bradfield, I certainly give creds to Bradfield having a more honest heart. Anyhow. During the years when I left the Full Preterist movement and tried to explain HOW people got into it; and specifically mentioning how Bradfield got into it, Bradfield's hatred simmered. He just couldn't hear what Roderick Edwards was saying -- he hates me that much. His hatred gets in his way.

In Bradfield's latest article, called The Subtlety of Heresy he further explains how he fell into "hyperpreterism".  He says:

Throwing Calvin Under The Bus to Save Talbot?

Sam Frost, known for his pandering; even as noted by his own "friends" such as Dee Dee Warren -- Frost now attempts to throw even John Calvin under the bus so Frost can protect his mentor; Kenneth Talbot.
Talbot was recently cited as calling for the killing of people who do not "obey" him. Talbot was very clear that when he is in charge, he wants to execute people...people he calls "blights on society" and "road bumps" that he and his followers "don't want in their kingdom". (Read and listen to the comment here)

No apostle in the New Testament EVER urges killing people for their beliefs or for not "obeying" them. However Frost and his murderous mentor are trying to use Calvin to justify themselves. On March 11, 2013 Frost wrote:

"How can someone condemn the establishment of God's Law, when Calvin very clearly approved of the State carrying out the execution of Servetus for heresy? How can they, with a straight face, call Dr. Talbot a murderer?" -- source

The problem is Talbot ISN'T advocating the "establishment of God's Law" -- instead Talbot is advocating his interpretation of "God's law" then saying that whomever doesn't "obey" him and his followers when they are "in charge" will be "just quick executed". All through Talbot's murderous speech, he uses words like "us" and "we" and "our" when speaking of himself and his followers being in charge, executing people and keeping blights and road bumps out of THEIR kingdom -- not Christ's kingdom, but THEIR personalized kingdom.

Next, notice the admission here by Frost -- Calvin [approved of the STATE] carrying out execution. We'll get into the details in a moment to see if Frost posed even this correctly, but just note that Calvin didn't kill Servetus. Calvin didn't call for the killing/execution of people when they didn't "obey" him. This comes down to what Martin Luther called the "two-swords" or "two kingdoms".  Luther strongly advocated that the secular/worldly/civil sword is responsible for keeping order and peace; the outward condition of life, whereas the Church is responsible for keeping order and peace within the spiritual realm of life.

Preterist Debate: New Blood VS Washed Up Has Been

Yeah, well the title of this article is meant to be a little humorous. The debate is between Full Preterist Michael Miano and egotistical, panderer and pretended ex-Full Preterist Sam Frost.

Some wonder why Frost wants to debate Miano; not that Miano is chump-change but Frost always thinks so highly of himself, it's surprising that Frost wouldn't go after bigger fish. Some have speculated it is because Frost wants to test out his arguments against...to use Frost's type of speech...an "ahem, uneducated non-scholar". Miano fully admits he doesn't have all the background Frost does; yet ironically all of Frost's "ahem" -- seminary education didn't keep him from falling into what he now considers a very bad heresy. Matter of fact, the reason I say he is only a pretended ex-Full Preterist, is because there is every indication that Frost simply wants to dictate how Full Preterism is presented and since he couldn't do that from within the movement; he has taken the opportunity to act like he wrote off the movement, simply to turn around and offer another form of Full Preterism called "Realized Preterism".

Anyhow the debate should be interesting to watch. The debate is FREE

WHEN: Jan 5th 2012, 12pm-4pm
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Shameful Sam Frost Again

Sam Frost, a perennial subject here due to his association with the Consistent Preterist movement and now his attempts to position himself as the go-to-guy for "anti-preterism" is at it again.  One thing about Frost, no matter when he was a "Full Preterist" or now in his new re-imaged "Partial-Preterism", he has a looooonng reputation of being a panderer.  I'm not saying this to be rude, even Sam's current friends have called him a panderer.  Dee Dee Warren even has an article titled "Sammy the Panderer is at it Again" (ref), granted while Sam was still a Full Preterist, but did he magically change simply because he changed sides?

But recently, Frost has made some comments that imply he had been "coddling" Full Preterists and that he is no longer going to do so (ref) when in reality, it has ALWAYS been Frost who has been "coddled" by others.  For example, while Frost was still a Full Preterist, people were calling for him to address the "Emergent" universalism that his buddy Virgil Vaduva was espousing.  Frost would not and instead said:

"Tim and Virgil...they have never wronged me in any way, and have gone out of their ways to help me in many, many situations. One does not just come back and bite the generous hand and cut them off." -- source

As we see, these people were coddling Frost; going "out of their ways to help" him -- i.e. these are the folks that put Frost on the Full Preterist map by giving him spots for speaking at their conferences. Frost was being "coddled" by these folks and he didn't want to speak up against them.

The Anti-Prets Attempt to Bamboozle Criswell College

As readers may know and I am careful to constantly preface such articles, I have documented where the so-called "Anti-Preterists", lead by Kenneth Talbot of Whitefield Theological Seminary are actually engaged not in fighting "hyperpreterism" but instead in redefining the playing field and replacing Full Preterism with their own version.  That is, their own form of Full Preterism without calling it that.

Talbot has been documented as saying as much when he said his personalized form he calls "Realized Preterism" is "akin" to what Full Preterist David Chilton was teaching (5 second audio: http://thekingdomcome.com/sites/default/files/realizedpreterism_is_hyperpreterism.mp3).  Further, Talbot's star pupil, Sam Frost who pretends he left the Full Preterist movement in 2010 has sent emails to Full Preterists telling them he hasn't left everything, yet he is vague about what he retains.  And to add to that, Frost recently told a group of Full Preterists on the CARM message board that he PERSONALLY is "working on" a more consistent form of preterism.  So, in short; these so-called "anti-prets" aren't actually trying to fight "hyperpreterism"; they are trying to usurp it with their own brand and in so doing labeling anyone that does not follow along as the real "hyperpreterists".

That being said, Joel McDurmon; another pupil of Talbot's who gave a dismal performance at debating Full Preterist Don Preston in the summer of 2012; McDurmon even admitting he did virtually no preparation for the debate, McDurmon is now badgering Criswell College for not allowing the "Talbotites" to define preterism.

McDurmon relates in an article that he contacted Criswell College to express his concern that they invited Full Preterist Don Preston to a conference on eschatology and for Preston to represent the preterist view.

BIG NEWS: David Chilton Said To Recant Full Preterism

David Chilton, author of many books, such as Productive Christians in an Age of Guilt-Manipulators: A Biblical Response to Ronald J. Sider (1981), Paradise Restored (1985), Days of Vengeance (1987), and The Great Tribulation (1987), Power in the Blood: A Christian Response to AIDS (1987) is known within FPism as one of the only "big names" to have embraced FPism.

Chilton was mentored by R.J. Rushdoony,  Greg Bahnsen, James B. Jordan, and Gary North.  North became the publisher of many of Chilton's books.

In the Foreward that Chilton wrote for Ed Stevens' FPists book, "What Happened in AD70?" (1997), Chilton said this:

"The more I pondered the awesome implications of Jesus’ words, the more I realized their truly revolutionary significance for eschatology. Without exception, every event foretold by the Biblical prophets was fulfilled within that generation, as Jesus said." "Scripture foretells a Second Coming – not a third!"

Thus, there is no doubt that Chilton had embraced FPism.

UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!

I've been a bit busy but here's a little update on what's going on.  First, please understand that this site is here to document not just what is going on within the "full preterist" movement but everything surrounding it, especially the fraudulent "anti-prets" who are actually causing more shame on Christ and the Church than any "full preterist" could.

Sam Frost just registered on CARM Christian Forums, so if you and others want a place to engage him publicly.  Also, he is there telling people he is personally "working on" making a more consistent preterism.

QUOTE: "Can there be a more consistent Preterism? Certainly. I am working on it!" -- Frost; http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?113516-Why-the-anti-pret-battle-is-lost&p=3448917&viewfull=1#post3448917

See, as I've been saying, Sam hasn't left FPism, he is just looking for a way to control it, even if it means throwing the rest of you under the bus as the real "hyper prets".  Sam has done this all along; first with his effort to be the guy to "systematize" FPism and then with his effort to create a thing he called "fuller full preterism", and then with joining with Talbot's "Realized Preterism".  He just wants to be the guy in charge.  He wants his damned statue! (Sam has several time opined, in all seriousness how future generations might build a statue in his honor -- he wasn't joking)

Next, Talbotite Sharon Nichols is on FB telling people that Talbot told her that David Chilton repented of FPism on his death bed.  Of course there is no public evidence of this but only Talbot's personal word on it.  The PUBLIC EVIDENCE is that though Chilton died March 7, 1997; there is documented email exchanges between Chilton, Ed Stevens and Don Preston all the way to at least March 4th showing Chilton was CLEARLY still holding to FPism.  See here: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/1996_stevens-chilton.html
It is astounding how unfailing these Talbotite followers are in their devotion to their cult leaders.

What Motivates "Consistent Preterists"?

The first thing the reader should notice is that I plan to stop calling people "hyperpreterists", but will begin to refer to this group as "Consistent Preterists".  Why? Well, the so-called "Partial-Preterists" or "historical Preterists" have made such a shamble of eschatology that I no longer think it fair that Consistent Preterists should be considered as being "beyond" or "hyper" preterism.  After all, popular partial-preterist author and speaker, Gary DeMar has said of Christian eschatology:

"... I'm willing to listen to what others say on an issue, especially on eschatology since it's been a garbled mess for centuries. It's conceivable that so-called eschatological heretics are seeing something I'm not seeing. They're willing to take the risk. Many are not." -- source

If something happens to me...

I just wanted to let everyone know that if something happens to me or my family, they should first suspect Jason L. Bradfield, the P.R. manager for Sam Frost of RCM (Reign of Christ website).  Bradfield has truly been stalking me, even coming onto the Christian Forum, CARM where he was promptly banned by the moderators after he not only blatantly broke multiple rules, but even said he "wished they'd ban him".

Shortly after this, Bradfield started emailing me, even from a fake account called roderickthecoward@yahoo.com with my name as the sender, as if he is Roderick Edwards.  Bradfield obviously has a history of unethical behavior, whether it is blatantly breaking/disrespecting the rules of a community or making it look like someone said something they clearly didn't or using other people's names as a sender in an email.

In these hostile and hate filled emails Bradfield sent, he called me a "little bitch" several times among other names.  He then called my home, while I was at work.  Fortunately I have him recorded and will record him if he ever calls again.  My wife listened to the message and was frightened and called me at work.  This is not the first time Bradfield's group has called my house frightening my family.  Indeed, another hyperpreterist had at one time threatened to harm my family if I didn't shut up.  I reported that individual to the FBI.

Now, Bradfield is threatening me.  I don't know what his threat entails but he said: "You ain't getting away that easy. It has just begun. Now keeping talking you little bitch."  He said this after I asked him to:

• stop emailing me
• stop sending me Google+ invites
• stop coming onto forums where I am
• stop threatening me
• stop calling my house
• stop assuming you know what goes on at my house

Bradfield is upset partly because he says, unpreterist.blogspot.com is "dedicated to talking about him" and his cronies.  Actually, NO it is dedicated to UNDOING over 15 years of promotion of hyperpreterism.  The FACT is that people like Sam Frost, Gary DeMar, Kenneth Talbot, Dee Dee Warren and yes even Bradfield have been heavily involved in purposely or unwittingly promoting various forms of hyperpreterism.

Talbotites Caught Red-Handed

Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield are accused of viewing the recent Don Preston/Joel McDurmon debate online without paying the $80.00 fee.  The account is that Preston offered that people who could not attend in person could pay and obtain a password to view live-streaming of the debate. Per the offer, Preston specifically stated:

"By purchasing the live-stream webcast of the PPW Event, I agree not to give out my unique user password which will be used to access the live-feed. This means that you will only use the password to display the live-feed web broadcast for those people or groups who are physically present and watching with you. This policy will be based on a personal accountability metric. In other words, God knows!" -- source

Apparently, Frost and Bradfield somehow logged in without payment and were eventually kicked out of the "room" by the administrator; Joseph Vincent.  This is further confirmed by Frost himself who says in a post-debate podcast with McDurmon:

"Jason and I, you know we were in the, we were watching it online and then uh. I think it was live-stream and then they have a chat room and it was Joseph Vincent that was running the whole thing. Which he was there at the conference, running the whole...[McDurmon interjects]: Yeah I was wantin' wantin' you guys to tell this...this story. [Frost continues]: Well, we were just, you know, we got, both of us. Well, I did, I don't know if Jason, but we got banned. I got banned." -- mp3 clip (complete source @ 36:46-37:05)

So, Frost fully admits something caused him to get banned from viewing the live-stream of the debate.  However he says in the podcast that he listened to at least 90% of the debate online.

Sam Frost Gets A New Leash

Supposed ex-hyperpreterist Sam Frost, known for his pandering and his "dancing bear" routines where he does whatever his handlers say; be it Jason Bradfield (who Sam would have no Internet voice without), or Ken Talbot, or Virgil Vaduva, or now Dee Dee Warren (not her real name btw).  On July 17, 2012; Warren more or less tried to leash Frost by telling him to no longer interact with his former hyperpreterists who bring FACTUAL comments against Frost.  Warren said:

"Sam there is nothing of value there, I no longer read it. That is another reason I am reposting some of the back catalog, to give readers something more useful than the pretcosmos nonsense.

You don’t have to defend yourself against them, nothing will ever be enough. I think it is more than high time to remember the second part of the proverbs, do not answer a fool according to his folly.

On the rare occasion there is something worth responding to, I will do so, and for those occasions I let my ever vigilant friends let me know. My inbox has been very empty of suggestions which means, as usual, empty-headed posts from them." -- http://www.preteristblog.com/?p=21#comment-19931

How is analyzing the words of hyperpreterist Sam Frost "nonsense"? Shouldn't Frost have to interact with his 15 years of hyperpreterist promotion? Shouldn't he have to do some work to undo all the damage he has done or is Warren telling him to stay on his leash like a good little pet?  I mean, Warren apparently thinks she is the more balance, as she "ahem" only responds on the "rare occasion there is something worth responding to".  Frost apparently needs to have Warren's ability and insight.  Eventually the  pet will obey the master and follow her lead.  I always like how almost all of Dee Dee's posts always come back to her.  This one about how she behaves and how her friends do and how her email inbox is or isn't. Mee-Mee Warren strikes again.

UPDATE: Shortly after this video was posted here, theological fascist Dee Dee Warren disabled the embed ability.  I guess she can't handle criticism.



After you watch the video, tell me if this is not the sheer example of a person in love with themselves -- classic narcissist.

The Art of Narrative Making: Sam Frost the Liar.

It is no secret that there is much content on this site about Sam Frost.  It is not because I have some "obsession" with Sam Frost but because like it or not, Frost has presented himself first as the voice of hyperpreterism and now as the voice of so-called "anti-hyperpreterism".  Of course there will be a focus on a person like that.  You know, I wish I could write articles detailing how Frost realized his hyperpreterism was a grave error and that he is going to spend many years in humility trying to undo some of the damage he has done.  Instead, Frost pretends to combat hyperpreterism while actually proffering another form of it.  He has even said he has "not left" elements of hyperpreterism, and Frost's mentor; Kenneth Talbot says his eschatology is "akin to David Chilton's" (an avowed hyperpreterist).

Frost also has a documented knack for narrative making; that is he creates story lines and then tries to get people to believe them.  The last narrative by Frost is that the only reason he is being greatly opposed by hyperpreterist Dave Green and company, and the only reason Green and company oppose Frost's mentor Talbot is that I put them up to it.  Frost says to Talbot follower, Dee Dee Warren (not her real name):

Sam Frost the "Ordained" Sorcerer?

Jason "book-burner" Bradfield is getting "way cool" high-fives from Frostian sycophants for burning several FPists books (see video: http://youtu.be/vQRswlaAFuI ). Jason uses Acts 19:19-20 to justify the burning. The verses read:

"Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men and they counted the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed." Acts 19:19-20

Now, if FPism books are to be compared to "magic arts" then can we compare the people who teach/taught FPism to sorcerers? Especially those who claimed to be FPist "pastors"? Here comes the hypocrisy -- Sam Frost, STILL claims the title of "pastor" even though the only type of "pastor" he was, was over a FPist congregation. Why doesn't Frost disavow his time as a "sorcerer"??? Because he is a flat out hypocrite and while he bad-mouths FPists, he still wants to beef up his profile -- so he LIES to the unsuspecting Christian who may think Sam was a REAL pastor. He never was. Frost's own mentor/daddy said:

Challenge to Sam Frost

Okay enough is enough Sam Frost. I CHALLENGE you to do a podcast with me where we can discuss all these points directly. Just you and I; no little snickering Jason in the background. None of your little sycophant cheerleaders. No elitist Mullah with his own denomination hypocritically making 9 part-series on the 9th commandment as he breaks it with wontoness. No mouthy pseudo-named pill-popping woman. No "pay-per-view". No book deals or disk sales. Just you and me man to man. I will document all of the lies and contradictions and falsehoods and I want EVERYONE to hear how Sam Frost responds. Will it be cool and calm or the frantic. manic Sam I am accustomed to speaking with whenever I have spoken with you on the phone.


You can't do it. This is the reason you run back to your own website and spout off junk where your P.R. man Jason can protect you. I will and do post on any forum that is open to me. I'm not a lying coward like you Sam. Let's go!

Kenneth Talbot Defines Himself

Well, if you can stomach the stuck-up windbag tone and the blatant hypocrisy of Talbot; he has done 3 podcasts on of all things; the 9th Commandment.  This is like calling Sam Frost an "expert" on eschatology as Talbot has done.  Anyhow, on the 3rd podcast Talbot in a round about way calls out hyperpreterist Dave Green.  As you know, Dave claims that Talbot writes or edits material for his groupies -- which has been true in the past -- since he first-handed asked to edit some of my own material and has indeed written at least one anonymous article for Pretblog that I directly know of.  Yes, that corruption was going on as I was departing from that site.  Further, Talbot used an anonymous name ("Superpreterist") when Sharon Nichols used to run her hyperpret site.  Anyhow; in the podcast Talbot says:

The "Charity" of Whitefield Theological Seminary

President Kenneth Talbot of Whitefield Theological Seminary (WTS) has recently been calling Sam Frost an "expert" when it comes to eschatology.  Remember, Frost is barely a year over his 10-15 years of being an "expert" in hyperpreterism.  So, what kind of "expert" is Talbot promoting?  Does Talbot want his WTS students to consider Frost to be an eschatological "expert"?  Anyhow, after giving some background of the relationship between Talbot and Frost, I wanted to post something Frost sent to a message board on Feb 22, 2012:

Sam Frost: The Secret Full Preterist?

While Sam Frost was still within the FP movement, he often complained how it was not systematic enough.  It seemed he wanted to dictate how it would be presented.  Well, it appears he is still at it. Commenting on an article where the author was detailing how "partial-preterism", if consistent should/would lead to FPism, Sam said:

"And, I don't get FP's using this argument (I used to use it when David Engelsma was saying it). Do you want to drive people AWAY from your view? Scare them off?...[Instead] Here's what you should post: "this is what X said, and I quote X" Then, deal with X's actual words and show where they contradict Y in Scripture or in his own argument. Or, "if P, then Y" of necessary inference - but anything else, like this fellow writes, is speculation and useless "leads to" fearmongering......It's like bringing up Hitler in an argument....." -- link: http://deathisdefeated.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2362512 

Talbot Says Sam Frost Isn't A Pastor

Long time egotist, Sam Frost likes to feign being an "expert" and if you've ever had the misfortune of engaging the man in a verbal discussion; you will have been talked-over and interrupted incessantly.  However, the lingering issue with Sam Frost; who in 2010-2011 recanted his 15+ years of teaching hyperpreterism is that Frost claims to have been a self-ordained "pastor" while he was a hyperpreterist.  It continues to be an issue because he continues to claim this credential as if it was ever legitimate.  Think about it.  Suppose a Mormon who had been an Elder in Mormonism at some point recants Mormonism.  Can he rightly claim he was EVER a leader within the Christian Church?  This is what Frost is trying to do.

But during a January 2012 podcast, Frost's mentor, Kenneth Talbot -- president of a seminary -- said this:

"You cannot appoint yourself a minister. It must be recognized and the gifts must be understood, examined and then he is to have hands laid on him by the presbytery. Self-ordination is rebuffed completely. It is not seen as anything viable. And it is literally an insult to the Church of Jesus Christ. He doesn't let you play fast and loose with His Word. And the Word is very specific about those things."

Listen to the 10 second audio: http://thekingdomcome.com/sites/default/files/falsepastor.mp3

Clarkian Admits Clarkianism Lends to Hyperpreterism

Some people have had a difficult time following why I am so against Clarkianism; after all its axiom is: "The Bible is the Word of God written" -- why should I oppose that?  I don't.  Of course the Bible is the Word of God written, but that hasn't been the starting point in historic Christianity.

Cornelius Van Til and others in 1944 lodged a complaint against Gordon Clark's ordination/licensure within Van Til's denomination.  Not only did Van Til's group complain that the denomination was waiving the rules that Clark had to have 2 years seminary training; Clark was philosophically trained but not theologically -- but they complained that Clark was compromising major elements of the Faith.  Van Til said:

"The Christian doctrine of the knowledge of God is distinguished as well by its affirmation of the incomprehensibility of God as by its assertion of his knowability. The point does not need to be labored that the knowability of God lies at the very foundation of Christianity. That God can be known, and that he has given a knowledge of himself through his works and words, is pervasively taught in the Scriptures. The possibility and actuality of true religion depend upon the light and truth which God communicates to men. Skepticism and agnosticism are thoroughly anti-Christian." -- SOURCE: http://godshammer.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/the-complaint.pdf

Kenneth Talbot - The Hypocrite

Dr. Kenneth Talbot, president of Whitefield Theological Seminary has a history of compromising with the heresy of Hyper-Preterism. This history started when he utilized hyperpreterist leader, Sam Frost to help develop student materials for the seminary.  Next, Talbot has been documented as calling hyperpreterists; "brothers".  But perhaps the worse affront to the Christian Faith is when Talbot knowingly enrolled hyperpreterist leader; Larry Siegle into Whitefield's "minister's" program.  To whom does Talbot intend the hyperpreterist to minister with his Whitefield validated degree?

Maybe all of this wouldn't matter if Talbot presented himself as a liberal, "ecumenicist" -- we would expect such a "pastor" to be a compromiser but not only does Talbot present himself as Reformed but also as extremely orthodox.  This behavior from Talbot is disillusioning to Christians and makes it worse that Talbot's followers; in a sense of loyalty to him, help to cover up for him or even help to attack those who would dare point out what Talbot is doing.

What makes Talbot an even bigger hypocrite and one that even the hyperpreterists should point out; Talbot's self-made denomination, RCPGA released a statement in 2010 condemning hyperpreterism:

"Whereas, these views represent an attack upon and undermining of the holy catholic faith once delivered unto the saints,

Therefore, in the certain Hope of the Resurrection, at the Second Coming of Christ, and the Final Judgment at the end of history, the Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly does hereby find that Full Preterism, Hyper-preterism or any other Eschatological System promoting any one or all of these errors is errant, heretical, and apostate, being therefore contrary to evangelical orthodoxy." -- http://www.rpcga.us/SiteContent/65/documents/Against%20Unorthodox%20Eschatology%20(RPCGA%20Approved).pdf

Why does Talbot on one hand coddle Frost for 10 years, use him to help develop student materials for his supposed "Christian" seminary, enroll a hyperpreterist into a "minister's" program with intent to bestow a degree on him, call hyperpreterists "brothers", and even say his own eschatology is "akin" to David Chilton's (Chilton who was a documented hyperpreterist -- ref), and lastly we have this picture of Talbot and his wife eating dinner with Siegle, Frost and their wives.

Talbot is the man on the far front right, Siegle is behind Talbot and Frost is at the back left.  In light of 1 Cor 5:11 which says:

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person."