Why Jason L. Bradfield Is Obsessed With Me

As you may know, Jason Bradfield is/was the P.R. man for Sam Frost. And as you may know further, Frost recently went through or is going through some marital issues -- but that is neither here nor there, we all have our problems. The point is, Jason has a lot of free time on his hands. Since he doesn't know what to do with himself he spends time STEALING articles and images of me from my site.  This from a supposed "Christian" and "deacon-in-training".  I've tried a couple of times complaining to his pastors but since that is just as much a fraud as Sam and Jason ever were, it fell on deaf ears.  I guess they have no problem with thieves among them.

Jason is so obsessed with me that he actually had taken the time to set up an anonymous website and then copy/change the font and page coloring to try to match this one.  Yeah, he's THAT weird folks.

Further, Jason has tracked down my place of work and called my boss trying to get me fired. He also called my home and tried to talk to my wife -- even using her name, which as far as I know I have never given it out publicly on the Internet so he had to do a little REAL "stalking" to find all of this information. (I have no idea what his wife's name is, nor am I eager to find it out)

You know, now that I think of it; when I started my first theological website, I called it THEkingdomcome.com.   Do you know that a few years later Jason also started a theological website, and you know what he called it? THE******.com  Yeah, no veiled envy there. The guy is nothing but a follower; whether it has been moving his family from state to state following his "leaders" or trying to mimic people (even STEALING from people) instead of coming up with his own ideas. Sad really.

So, next time you hear the name Kenneth Talbot, or Gary DeMar just know that they endorse and promote men like Jason Bradfield...AND THAT'S why I want nothing to do with those frauds.

Hating The Messenger For Hate's Sake

There has been no doubt that over the last few years this site has focused on the "Talbotites" -- Kenneth Talbot followers. Some of these are high profile ex-Full Preterists like Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield. And over these years, the Talbotites have been vicious haters of me; Bradfield went so far as to call my house and try to talk to my wife about me and even creepishly stalked out my place of work and called my boss to try to get me fired. All of this and yet the Talbotites continue to have people think they are honorable people.

Well, I want to revisit history; especially in light of Bradfield's latest article. Oddly enough, even with all his hatred, I have respect for Bradfield; always have. Of the pair, Frost and Bradfield, I certainly give creds to Bradfield having a more honest heart. Anyhow. During the years when I left the Full Preterist movement and tried to explain HOW people got into it; and specifically mentioning how Bradfield got into it, Bradfield's hatred simmered. He just couldn't hear what Roderick Edwards was saying -- he hates me that much. His hatred gets in his way.

In Bradfield's latest article, called The Subtlety of Heresy he further explains how he fell into "hyperpreterism".  He says:

An Email to PaulT Gates

Paul, a faculty from Criswell College debunks Jason Bradfield's theory that they only took Don Preston to task because they were contacted by men like Joel McDurmon.  See the full statement on CARM here: http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?119968-Bamboozling-Criswell-College&s=21c69f7e2726960b49525f3cc326a86e&p=3506389&viewfull=1#post3506389  but he says:

"Criswell has always encouraged familiarity with all views while defending “the right one.” In this case, we invited not only three distinct premillennialists (a classical dispensationalist, a progressive dispensationalist, and a historic premillennialist), but also a postmillennialist, an amillennialist, and a preterist. Two things ought to be considered in light of that article.

 First, Criswell College is openly opposed to preterism (not the tense, but the eschatological movement among theologians) of any kind. We are a confessionally premillennial college and graduate school. If preterism wants a safe haven, it will have to look elsewhere." 

Note that they are against ANY KIND OF PRETERISM.  They were never going to allow Preston to get away with anything even if they weren't contacted.  They aren't like Kenneth Talbot, who really DID coddle "hyperpreterism" for over 15 years as he never publicly addressed that his star pupil, Sam Frost was a main leader within the movement and Talbot was allowing Frost to develop student materials for his seminary, AND Talbot eventually enrolled Larry Siegle into his seminary's MINISTERS program with intent to confer on him a title of "minister".

Again Paul, continue you hating me all you want, but you are on the wrong side.

If something happens to me...

I just wanted to let everyone know that if something happens to me or my family, they should first suspect Jason L. Bradfield, the P.R. manager for Sam Frost of RCM (Reign of Christ website).  Bradfield has truly been stalking me, even coming onto the Christian Forum, CARM where he was promptly banned by the moderators after he not only blatantly broke multiple rules, but even said he "wished they'd ban him".

Shortly after this, Bradfield started emailing me, even from a fake account called roderickthecoward@yahoo.com with my name as the sender, as if he is Roderick Edwards.  Bradfield obviously has a history of unethical behavior, whether it is blatantly breaking/disrespecting the rules of a community or making it look like someone said something they clearly didn't or using other people's names as a sender in an email.

In these hostile and hate filled emails Bradfield sent, he called me a "little bitch" several times among other names.  He then called my home, while I was at work.  Fortunately I have him recorded and will record him if he ever calls again.  My wife listened to the message and was frightened and called me at work.  This is not the first time Bradfield's group has called my house frightening my family.  Indeed, another hyperpreterist had at one time threatened to harm my family if I didn't shut up.  I reported that individual to the FBI.

Now, Bradfield is threatening me.  I don't know what his threat entails but he said: "You ain't getting away that easy. It has just begun. Now keeping talking you little bitch."  He said this after I asked him to:

• stop emailing me
• stop sending me Google+ invites
• stop coming onto forums where I am
• stop threatening me
• stop calling my house
• stop assuming you know what goes on at my house

Bradfield is upset partly because he says, unpreterist.blogspot.com is "dedicated to talking about him" and his cronies.  Actually, NO it is dedicated to UNDOING over 15 years of promotion of hyperpreterism.  The FACT is that people like Sam Frost, Gary DeMar, Kenneth Talbot, Dee Dee Warren and yes even Bradfield have been heavily involved in purposely or unwittingly promoting various forms of hyperpreterism.

Beware of Jason L. Bradfield: The Liar

Jason L. Bradfield, the P.R. man and front man for Sam Frost and the man behind Whitefield Media is now a documented LIAR.  Bradfield who claims to be a Christian actually has attributed to people, words they never said. Bradfield knows full well he is lying.

THE SITUATION

After making a comment on Bradfield's website, he deleted the actual comment and altered it to make it look like I said something else, yet left my profile intact so it looked like the comment was coming from me.  Fortunately, the Diqus commenting system he is using allowed me to keep deleting the fake comment.  Eventually Bradfield simply posted the comment as if it was posted as "Guest" yet in the comments he wrote: "Roderick Edwards said:..."  Bradfield then went on to attribute comments I never said to me.  Bradfield is an out-and-out liar.  Any person interacting with Bradfield or Frost should beware that these men have a long reputation of being underhanded.  Neither Frost nor Bradfield are ever able to interact in an open forum where they are challenged.  Both men have needed to hide behind moderators of sites because if left to their own open discussion, these men expose themselves as the deplorable people they are.

Talbotites Caught Red-Handed

Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield are accused of viewing the recent Don Preston/Joel McDurmon debate online without paying the $80.00 fee.  The account is that Preston offered that people who could not attend in person could pay and obtain a password to view live-streaming of the debate. Per the offer, Preston specifically stated:

"By purchasing the live-stream webcast of the PPW Event, I agree not to give out my unique user password which will be used to access the live-feed. This means that you will only use the password to display the live-feed web broadcast for those people or groups who are physically present and watching with you. This policy will be based on a personal accountability metric. In other words, God knows!" -- source

Apparently, Frost and Bradfield somehow logged in without payment and were eventually kicked out of the "room" by the administrator; Joseph Vincent.  This is further confirmed by Frost himself who says in a post-debate podcast with McDurmon:

"Jason and I, you know we were in the, we were watching it online and then uh. I think it was live-stream and then they have a chat room and it was Joseph Vincent that was running the whole thing. Which he was there at the conference, running the whole...[McDurmon interjects]: Yeah I was wantin' wantin' you guys to tell this...this story. [Frost continues]: Well, we were just, you know, we got, both of us. Well, I did, I don't know if Jason, but we got banned. I got banned." -- mp3 clip (complete source @ 36:46-37:05)

So, Frost fully admits something caused him to get banned from viewing the live-stream of the debate.  However he says in the podcast that he listened to at least 90% of the debate online.

This is what happens when you go around attacking people and just attacking like....well...jerks.  These two fellows expressly came onto a forum where I interact with hyperpreterists and those who are looking into hyperpreterism.  They didn't come to discuss any of that.  They came specifically to shout me down and shut me up.  They don't like it when I point out how Kenneth Talbot has compromised with the hyperpreterists.

Well, the first fellow who arrogantly enough thinks he is a "slamdunker" is really named Phil Naessens.  This is the same fellow who has threatened to sue me yet he thinks I should continue to interact with him and answer his questions. I don't communicate with folks that break 1 Cor 6.  I don't communicate with folks that have such thin skin that they go to the "Gentiles" for help when they can't handle the FACTS.

The next fellow, "kingneb" is none other than Jason Bradfield; Sam Frost's P.R. man.  This isn't the first time Jason was banned from this forum.  He ignored the rules of the forum and started attacking the moderators -- whom I do not know from Adam.  Jason even smugly accused the moderator of being "my girlfrield".  Huh???  First, I've been married for over 21 years and secondly, no one knows the gender of the moderator in question.  Simply immature of Jason.

Why do I relate all of this here?  What does this have to do with preterism or hyperpreterism?

Jason Bradfield Reveals Why Sam Frost Left The Hyperpreterist Movement

After months of hyperpreterists speculating as to why Sam Frost left the movement, Frost's protege; Jason Bradfield has finally revealed the real reason.  First, we know Frost's departure from the movement is not as clear-cut; after all, Frost STILL calls hyperpreterists his "brothers in Christ" and Frost maintains a podcast show co-hosted by hyperpreterist Mike Loomis.  Even Bill Hill of CovenantRadio.com distanced himself from his co-host Jeff McCormack when it became obvious that McCormack was promoting hyperpreterism (source).

Thank You Jason Bradfield

Jason Bradfield, long-time hyperpreterist and perhaps the guy who has helped many of the modern crop of hyperprets set up their websites, recently recanted the heresy.  Bradfield has been a long-time "hater" of me and continues to hate my guts to this day.  He recently posted a reply to a thread I started at CARM.  What follows is my interaction with Bradfield's comments.  Before you read this interaction, please know I am very happy that Bradfield has left the heresy of hyperpreterism behind.  I hope in time he will leave behind his general rudeness.

Take It From the New Guard

For the longest time, it was just a few of us fighting against hyperpreterism from the INSIDE.  Sure, Dee Dee Warren of PreteristBlog.com had been fighting the heresy and she should be commended for the great work she has done, but she wasn't ever really within the movement.  But what is strange is a new crop opposing hyperpreterism has come to the fore.  Lots of ex-hyerpreterists such as Jason Bradfield (who left before his mentor Sam Frost by the way), Sam Frost and some others.  This new crop, perhaps at the instance of PaulT (PreteristBlog's new mouthpiece) is called the "new guard".  PaulT likes to call me the "old guard".  That's okay I guess since the Bible says "Stand in the ways and see, And ask for the old paths, where the good way is, And walk in it; Then you will find rest for your souls." - Jer 6:16a.

Besides the "new guards" AREN'T saying anything different than the "old guards" have been saying all along. For example, I said:

Sam And Jason Catch Up

As readers may know, two high profile hyperpreterists recanted that heresy in 2010-2011 -- Jason Bradfield and Sam Frost. I have eagerly, yet painfully been following their transition out of the heresy. It is painful sometimes because they are JUST NOW seeing the things I have been trying to tell them for some time now. They wouldn't listen to me because of their irrational hatred for me. But oh well, so long as they leave that heresy.

Jason especially but also Sam have been writing some interesting articles. For example, Jason wrote an article called: Paul the Deceitful? where Jason points out that when the apostle Paul in Acts 26:3 associated his teaching of the Resurrection as the same as the Pharisees teaching, that Paul either taught the same thing; which is a physical resurrection of believers or Paul was being deceitful.

Now Jason may have thought he stumbled on a great silver bullet against hyperpreterism, but Jason is a bit late. In an article I wrote for PreteristBlog in June 2008 I pointed out:

"Lastly, when Paul spoke about the resurrection of the believers he claimed to be teaching the very same resurrection as the Pharisees (Acts 23:6-8). The question then is, what kind of resurrection did the Pharisees teach? Did the Pharisees teach a mere resurrection of the spirit or did they also advocate a resurrection of the physical body? (read here)

Even from the biblical sources about the Pharisees, it is obvious that they believed in a physical resurrection, otherwise it would be nonsense for the Sadducees to pose the question of, in the resurrection whose wife a woman would be after having customarily marrying the brother(s) of her deceased first husband & then eventually dying herself. (Mat 22:23-33, Lk 20:27-36)"

As much as I am excited to see Sam and Jason come to realize these things, it is painful and discouraging that neither of these men seem to have the humility to say, "Roderick, we were wrong to have constantly acted like you didn't know what you're talking about". Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say, "Ohhhh look at me! look at me! how smart am I?", rather I'd like to see just a bit of humility from these guys after the years and years of abuse I have had to endure from them. They may think; "Huh? abuse from us? Roderick you constantly were coming at us". Yes I was, with the kind of articles you see in June 2008 AND with articles calling on them to stop being arrogant...a side effect of hyperpreterism. Anyhow, I'm glad Sam and Jason are catching up.

This Is How To Leave A Heresy

I started this blog in December 2007 to UNDO what I had done by teaching and advocating the heresy of Hyper/Full Preterism. At the time, I was ridiculed by the hyperpreterists but now we see more and more high-profile people leaving the hyperpreterist movement. One such person is Jason Bradfield, whom anyone can tell you doesn't count me as a friend...even now. However I am constantly amazed how the Lord Jesus Christ works. Listen to this podcast Jason did and you will see he too sees the need to UNDO what he has done. There is no sweeping his past under the rug, or modifying his "preterism" into a "Chilton kind" or any such nonsense. Further, Jason understands and doesn't back down from the FACT that people who advocate hyperpreterism actually are deluded and need to repent of advocating it. Jason has stuck to his guns on this even after the perennial mushy-gushy hyperpreterist, Larry Siegle tried to lay on Jason with Larry's typical syncreticism.

Another thing that is important to note is that my ferocious opposition to men like Dr. Kenneth Talbot and Phil Naessens was in-line with what Jason is NOW saying -- I mean, if hyperpreterism is as distorted as Jason (and his mentor Sam Frost) are NOW saying; then men like Talbot and Naessens should have NEVER given it even a whiff of validation (by calling hyperpreterists "brothers" and such). So, whether Jason and Sam and some of these others are ever friendly towards me, perhaps they can NOW understand why hyperpreterism SHOULD be so ferociously opposed -- especially by men of the stature of Talbot. It continually broke my heart to see Talbot give ANY validation toward this heresy and thereby perhaps causing men like Jason to remain in it longer than he did.

Anyhow, take a few moments to listen to what Jason says NOW. It is a blessing.

Jason Bradfield Story: Analysis of an Ex-Heretic

First, when people hear the word "heretic" or "heresy" they often feel some pity or sympathy for the person being called a heretic. Perhaps it is human nature to feel sorry for and root for the underdog. But is there EVER a right time to describe something as a heresy and the person advocating it a heretic?

To start, we must define what we mean by heresy. In the Christian sense, heresy is NOT simply something that goes against the teaching of those in control. Again, people often visualize the "big bad institutional church"forcing people to believe what the institution is teaching or else be labelled a heretic. However, to correctly define heresy we must decouple ourselves from the idea that the "church" is corrupt and trying to impose beliefs on the poor "followers". This wrong idea, may be a misunderstanding of Protestantism, where a person envisions themselves as a "little Martin Luther" taking on the Roman Catholic Church.

DEFINITION OF HERESY

The text in the Bible that perhaps most succinctly defines heresy is Romans 16:17-18.

Assessing the Jason and Sam Show

Jason Bradfield and Sam Frost, long time hyperpreterists have claimed to recanted the heresy but many doubt that at least Frost has really left the movement. What follows is the first podcast done by Jason and Sam AFTER they supposedly gave up "full preterism". I assess what they ACTUALLY say on the podcast and have ACTUALLY said in the past. Listen to this 40 minute podcast here:



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Jason Bradfield (aka kingneb) Says...

Jason Bradfield, the right hand man to FORMER hyperpreterist leader; Sam Frost had this to say recently:

"Within full preterism, you have two kinds of people. Who have those who have (1) thrown off all restraint and could care less about what orthodox christianity has been doing and teaching for the past 2,ooo years and then you have (2) those who view that as wreck-less and still want to maintain some sort of connection with 'historic Christianity', but wish to alter only eschatological issues which they believe only effects a small percentage of the worldview." --http://bradfieldfamily.posterous.com...preterism-pt-4

He later in the article concludes...

"Perhaps the two group distinction within full preterism is just a facade. When push comes to shove, group (2) starts sounding an awful lot like group (1) and both end up doing nothing but leeching."

Keep in mind who Bradfield is in relation to the 'movement". Bradfield filled the void after liberal/Emergent/universalistic hyperpreterist Virgil Vaduva went down in flames along with his now dormant website; PlanetPreterist. Bradfield set up several websites and helped set up other people's websites to help replace PlanetPreterist.

What Bradfield is saying here is something I've said for years. Ultimately, to really be a "consistent" hyperpreterist a person MUST take the "group 1" approach. They MUST as Bradfield says, "throw off all restraint and could care less about what orthodox christianity has been doing and teaching for the past 2,ooo years".

The 'Roderick Edwards Argument' Takes Down Hyperpreterists?

Whenever someone leaves the hyperpreterist movement, one of the first things that happens is hyperpreterists come out of the woodwork DEMANDING that the former-hyperpreterist give their "new view" on eschatology.  First of all, the whole thought process exposes what is wrong with hyperpreterism in the first place; it is a radical individualistic interpretation of the Bible.  Hyperpreterism, much like liberal politics thinks that the things they do, others do or should do also.  In this case, since hyperpreterists are prone to putting forth "their view", their personal view on eschatology they also want to hear "your view".

See, it becomes a matter of chest-thumping one-upmanship with hyperpreterists.  They claim they are more "consistent" or more "logical", or more "exegetical" -- no matter what "view" anyone puts forth.  We have seen this with hyperpreterists like Mike Sullivan.  It is pointless to engage them since they promise to ignore what you are saying before you even start.

It is not about presenting a personal "view" -- rather let us be about determining the Christian view on any topic instead of being so eager to put forth our own personal "view".  After all, we DO believe there is a UNITED Christian view on any given topic don't we???  Or are we going to give the hyperpreterists their way in the doors of our hearts and minds by wrongly agreeing with them that Christianity has been in doctrinal chaos for the last 2000 years???

This brings us to the title of this article.  In a discussion with hyperpreterist leader Sam Frost, excoriating Frost for trying to re-image if not leave the hyperpreterist movement altogether; Frost's fellow hyperpreterist Jordan Grant had this to say:

"It's so crushing to see the Rod Edwards argumentation being used. I mean, I saw it with Sharon...and Vince...now Jason, and I sure hope Sam doesn't follow suit." -- source

Hyperpreterists Then and Now

In December 2007 I went on the radio/podcast show called The Narrow Mind (TNM) with Gene Cook jr and publicly renounced hyperpreterism. After that program, hyperpreterist Jason Bradfield aka "kingneb", protege of hyperpreterist leader Sam Frost made several comments on the program.  Bradfield tried to at first claim I was simply trying to "get attention", but when it was shown that I specifically didn't even mention my website, Bradfield attempted several other things, including claiming I was simply trying to bash my former "full preterist" fellows.

FASTFORWARD July/Aug 2010

In 2010 Bradfield posted a scathing "apology" against the hyperpreterist movement, claiming MANY of the same things I claimed in 2007.  Here are a few quotes from Bradfield, all from the same article.  Read them and then listen to the TNM podcast I did in 2007 and see if Bradfield sounds like he is where I was in 2007.

BRADFIELD'S COMMENTS