Sam Frost Reneges On Debate

In May 2010, Dee Dee Warren and her little sycophants promoted a "debate" I NEVER agreed to and attributed to me positions I do not hold. (see here). I objected to it at the time as underhanded and not becoming of people who claim to be "Christians".  Even their esteemed "Dr." Talbot didn't force them to retract their lies...because he too is a liar.  HOWEVER, here we are in July 2013 and a REAL debate, instigated by Sam Frost (protege of Talbot) toward consistent preterist; Don Preston has been withdrawn. Frost reneged -- that means Frost went back on his word.  Yet not a peep out of Dee Dee or PaulT Gates or the rest of the Talbotites.

Here is the 6 and half minute video of Preston explaining how Frost failed to keep his promise:


Notice that Jason Bradfield; Frost's P.R. man comes to Frost's defense. But how do you defend a man who doesn't keep his word?

Also notice how Preston calls Frost's 80 page booklet; a "book".

Now, here is my hope. I hope Frost is done trying to present himself as God's gift to theology. I'm sure Sam is a great janitor (his profession). I would be more than happy to do my business in toilets Frost has cleaned.... Seriously though, maybe Frost is finally realizing he is just a man and that he and Talbot spent YEARS destroying other people's lives....and should be repentant rather than arrogant. Maybe, just maybe he is starting to show a bit of humility.

Shameful Sam Frost Again

Sam Frost, a perennial subject here due to his association with the Consistent Preterist movement and now his attempts to position himself as the go-to-guy for "anti-preterism" is at it again.  One thing about Frost, no matter when he was a "Full Preterist" or now in his new re-imaged "Partial-Preterism", he has a looooonng reputation of being a panderer.  I'm not saying this to be rude, even Sam's current friends have called him a panderer.  Dee Dee Warren even has an article titled "Sammy the Panderer is at it Again" (ref), granted while Sam was still a Full Preterist, but did he magically change simply because he changed sides?

But recently, Frost has made some comments that imply he had been "coddling" Full Preterists and that he is no longer going to do so (ref) when in reality, it has ALWAYS been Frost who has been "coddled" by others.  For example, while Frost was still a Full Preterist, people were calling for him to address the "Emergent" universalism that his buddy Virgil Vaduva was espousing.  Frost would not and instead said:

"Tim and Virgil...they have never wronged me in any way, and have gone out of their ways to help me in many, many situations. One does not just come back and bite the generous hand and cut them off." -- source

As we see, these people were coddling Frost; going "out of their ways to help" him -- i.e. these are the folks that put Frost on the Full Preterist map by giving him spots for speaking at their conferences. Frost was being "coddled" by these folks and he didn't want to speak up against them.

The Anti-Prets Attempt to Bamboozle Criswell College

As readers may know and I am careful to constantly preface such articles, I have documented where the so-called "Anti-Preterists", lead by Kenneth Talbot of Whitefield Theological Seminary are actually engaged not in fighting "hyperpreterism" but instead in redefining the playing field and replacing Full Preterism with their own version.  That is, their own form of Full Preterism without calling it that.

Talbot has been documented as saying as much when he said his personalized form he calls "Realized Preterism" is "akin" to what Full Preterist David Chilton was teaching (5 second audio: http://thekingdomcome.com/sites/default/files/realizedpreterism_is_hyperpreterism.mp3).  Further, Talbot's star pupil, Sam Frost who pretends he left the Full Preterist movement in 2010 has sent emails to Full Preterists telling them he hasn't left everything, yet he is vague about what he retains.  And to add to that, Frost recently told a group of Full Preterists on the CARM message board that he PERSONALLY is "working on" a more consistent form of preterism.  So, in short; these so-called "anti-prets" aren't actually trying to fight "hyperpreterism"; they are trying to usurp it with their own brand and in so doing labeling anyone that does not follow along as the real "hyperpreterists".

That being said, Joel McDurmon; another pupil of Talbot's who gave a dismal performance at debating Full Preterist Don Preston in the summer of 2012; McDurmon even admitting he did virtually no preparation for the debate, McDurmon is now badgering Criswell College for not allowing the "Talbotites" to define preterism.

McDurmon relates in an article that he contacted Criswell College to express his concern that they invited Full Preterist Don Preston to a conference on eschatology and for Preston to represent the preterist view.

UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE!

I've been a bit busy but here's a little update on what's going on.  First, please understand that this site is here to document not just what is going on within the "full preterist" movement but everything surrounding it, especially the fraudulent "anti-prets" who are actually causing more shame on Christ and the Church than any "full preterist" could.

Sam Frost just registered on CARM Christian Forums, so if you and others want a place to engage him publicly.  Also, he is there telling people he is personally "working on" making a more consistent preterism.

QUOTE: "Can there be a more consistent Preterism? Certainly. I am working on it!" -- Frost; http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?113516-Why-the-anti-pret-battle-is-lost&p=3448917&viewfull=1#post3448917

See, as I've been saying, Sam hasn't left FPism, he is just looking for a way to control it, even if it means throwing the rest of you under the bus as the real "hyper prets".  Sam has done this all along; first with his effort to be the guy to "systematize" FPism and then with his effort to create a thing he called "fuller full preterism", and then with joining with Talbot's "Realized Preterism".  He just wants to be the guy in charge.  He wants his damned statue! (Sam has several time opined, in all seriousness how future generations might build a statue in his honor -- he wasn't joking)

Next, Talbotite Sharon Nichols is on FB telling people that Talbot told her that David Chilton repented of FPism on his death bed.  Of course there is no public evidence of this but only Talbot's personal word on it.  The PUBLIC EVIDENCE is that though Chilton died March 7, 1997; there is documented email exchanges between Chilton, Ed Stevens and Don Preston all the way to at least March 4th showing Chilton was CLEARLY still holding to FPism.  See here: http://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/1996_stevens-chilton.html
It is astounding how unfailing these Talbotite followers are in their devotion to their cult leaders.

If something happens to me...

I just wanted to let everyone know that if something happens to me or my family, they should first suspect Jason L. Bradfield, the P.R. manager for Sam Frost of RCM (Reign of Christ website).  Bradfield has truly been stalking me, even coming onto the Christian Forum, CARM where he was promptly banned by the moderators after he not only blatantly broke multiple rules, but even said he "wished they'd ban him".

Shortly after this, Bradfield started emailing me, even from a fake account called roderickthecoward@yahoo.com with my name as the sender, as if he is Roderick Edwards.  Bradfield obviously has a history of unethical behavior, whether it is blatantly breaking/disrespecting the rules of a community or making it look like someone said something they clearly didn't or using other people's names as a sender in an email.

In these hostile and hate filled emails Bradfield sent, he called me a "little bitch" several times among other names.  He then called my home, while I was at work.  Fortunately I have him recorded and will record him if he ever calls again.  My wife listened to the message and was frightened and called me at work.  This is not the first time Bradfield's group has called my house frightening my family.  Indeed, another hyperpreterist had at one time threatened to harm my family if I didn't shut up.  I reported that individual to the FBI.

Now, Bradfield is threatening me.  I don't know what his threat entails but he said: "You ain't getting away that easy. It has just begun. Now keeping talking you little bitch."  He said this after I asked him to:

• stop emailing me
• stop sending me Google+ invites
• stop coming onto forums where I am
• stop threatening me
• stop calling my house
• stop assuming you know what goes on at my house

Bradfield is upset partly because he says, unpreterist.blogspot.com is "dedicated to talking about him" and his cronies.  Actually, NO it is dedicated to UNDOING over 15 years of promotion of hyperpreterism.  The FACT is that people like Sam Frost, Gary DeMar, Kenneth Talbot, Dee Dee Warren and yes even Bradfield have been heavily involved in purposely or unwittingly promoting various forms of hyperpreterism.

Talbotites Caught Red-Handed

Sam Frost and Jason Bradfield are accused of viewing the recent Don Preston/Joel McDurmon debate online without paying the $80.00 fee.  The account is that Preston offered that people who could not attend in person could pay and obtain a password to view live-streaming of the debate. Per the offer, Preston specifically stated:

"By purchasing the live-stream webcast of the PPW Event, I agree not to give out my unique user password which will be used to access the live-feed. This means that you will only use the password to display the live-feed web broadcast for those people or groups who are physically present and watching with you. This policy will be based on a personal accountability metric. In other words, God knows!" -- source

Apparently, Frost and Bradfield somehow logged in without payment and were eventually kicked out of the "room" by the administrator; Joseph Vincent.  This is further confirmed by Frost himself who says in a post-debate podcast with McDurmon:

"Jason and I, you know we were in the, we were watching it online and then uh. I think it was live-stream and then they have a chat room and it was Joseph Vincent that was running the whole thing. Which he was there at the conference, running the whole...[McDurmon interjects]: Yeah I was wantin' wantin' you guys to tell this...this story. [Frost continues]: Well, we were just, you know, we got, both of us. Well, I did, I don't know if Jason, but we got banned. I got banned." -- mp3 clip (complete source @ 36:46-37:05)

So, Frost fully admits something caused him to get banned from viewing the live-stream of the debate.  However he says in the podcast that he listened to at least 90% of the debate online.

Sam Frost Gets A New Leash

Supposed ex-hyperpreterist Sam Frost, known for his pandering and his "dancing bear" routines where he does whatever his handlers say; be it Jason Bradfield (who Sam would have no Internet voice without), or Ken Talbot, or Virgil Vaduva, or now Dee Dee Warren (not her real name btw).  On July 17, 2012; Warren more or less tried to leash Frost by telling him to no longer interact with his former hyperpreterists who bring FACTUAL comments against Frost.  Warren said:

"Sam there is nothing of value there, I no longer read it. That is another reason I am reposting some of the back catalog, to give readers something more useful than the pretcosmos nonsense.

You don’t have to defend yourself against them, nothing will ever be enough. I think it is more than high time to remember the second part of the proverbs, do not answer a fool according to his folly.

On the rare occasion there is something worth responding to, I will do so, and for those occasions I let my ever vigilant friends let me know. My inbox has been very empty of suggestions which means, as usual, empty-headed posts from them." -- http://www.preteristblog.com/?p=21#comment-19931

How is analyzing the words of hyperpreterist Sam Frost "nonsense"? Shouldn't Frost have to interact with his 15 years of hyperpreterist promotion? Shouldn't he have to do some work to undo all the damage he has done or is Warren telling him to stay on his leash like a good little pet?  I mean, Warren apparently thinks she is the more balance, as she "ahem" only responds on the "rare occasion there is something worth responding to".  Frost apparently needs to have Warren's ability and insight.  Eventually the  pet will obey the master and follow her lead.  I always like how almost all of Dee Dee's posts always come back to her.  This one about how she behaves and how her friends do and how her email inbox is or isn't. Mee-Mee Warren strikes again.

UPDATE: Shortly after this video was posted here, theological fascist Dee Dee Warren disabled the embed ability.  I guess she can't handle criticism.



After you watch the video, tell me if this is not the sheer example of a person in love with themselves -- classic narcissist.

The Art of Narrative Making: Sam Frost the Liar.

It is no secret that there is much content on this site about Sam Frost.  It is not because I have some "obsession" with Sam Frost but because like it or not, Frost has presented himself first as the voice of hyperpreterism and now as the voice of so-called "anti-hyperpreterism".  Of course there will be a focus on a person like that.  You know, I wish I could write articles detailing how Frost realized his hyperpreterism was a grave error and that he is going to spend many years in humility trying to undo some of the damage he has done.  Instead, Frost pretends to combat hyperpreterism while actually proffering another form of it.  He has even said he has "not left" elements of hyperpreterism, and Frost's mentor; Kenneth Talbot says his eschatology is "akin to David Chilton's" (an avowed hyperpreterist).

Frost also has a documented knack for narrative making; that is he creates story lines and then tries to get people to believe them.  The last narrative by Frost is that the only reason he is being greatly opposed by hyperpreterist Dave Green and company, and the only reason Green and company oppose Frost's mentor Talbot is that I put them up to it.  Frost says to Talbot follower, Dee Dee Warren (not her real name):

Challenge to Sam Frost

Okay enough is enough Sam Frost. I CHALLENGE you to do a podcast with me where we can discuss all these points directly. Just you and I; no little snickering Jason in the background. None of your little sycophant cheerleaders. No elitist Mullah with his own denomination hypocritically making 9 part-series on the 9th commandment as he breaks it with wontoness. No mouthy pseudo-named pill-popping woman. No "pay-per-view". No book deals or disk sales. Just you and me man to man. I will document all of the lies and contradictions and falsehoods and I want EVERYONE to hear how Sam Frost responds. Will it be cool and calm or the frantic. manic Sam I am accustomed to speaking with whenever I have spoken with you on the phone.


You can't do it. This is the reason you run back to your own website and spout off junk where your P.R. man Jason can protect you. I will and do post on any forum that is open to me. I'm not a lying coward like you Sam. Let's go!

Sam Frost: The Secret Full Preterist?

While Sam Frost was still within the FP movement, he often complained how it was not systematic enough.  It seemed he wanted to dictate how it would be presented.  Well, it appears he is still at it. Commenting on an article where the author was detailing how "partial-preterism", if consistent should/would lead to FPism, Sam said:

"And, I don't get FP's using this argument (I used to use it when David Engelsma was saying it). Do you want to drive people AWAY from your view? Scare them off?...[Instead] Here's what you should post: "this is what X said, and I quote X" Then, deal with X's actual words and show where they contradict Y in Scripture or in his own argument. Or, "if P, then Y" of necessary inference - but anything else, like this fellow writes, is speculation and useless "leads to" fearmongering......It's like bringing up Hitler in an argument....." -- link: http://deathisdefeated.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2362512 

Talbot Says Sam Frost Isn't A Pastor

Long time egotist, Sam Frost likes to feign being an "expert" and if you've ever had the misfortune of engaging the man in a verbal discussion; you will have been talked-over and interrupted incessantly.  However, the lingering issue with Sam Frost; who in 2010-2011 recanted his 15+ years of teaching hyperpreterism is that Frost claims to have been a self-ordained "pastor" while he was a hyperpreterist.  It continues to be an issue because he continues to claim this credential as if it was ever legitimate.  Think about it.  Suppose a Mormon who had been an Elder in Mormonism at some point recants Mormonism.  Can he rightly claim he was EVER a leader within the Christian Church?  This is what Frost is trying to do.

But during a January 2012 podcast, Frost's mentor, Kenneth Talbot -- president of a seminary -- said this:

"You cannot appoint yourself a minister. It must be recognized and the gifts must be understood, examined and then he is to have hands laid on him by the presbytery. Self-ordination is rebuffed completely. It is not seen as anything viable. And it is literally an insult to the Church of Jesus Christ. He doesn't let you play fast and loose with His Word. And the Word is very specific about those things."

Listen to the 10 second audio: http://thekingdomcome.com/sites/default/files/falsepastor.mp3

Clarkian Admits Clarkianism Lends to Hyperpreterism

Some people have had a difficult time following why I am so against Clarkianism; after all its axiom is: "The Bible is the Word of God written" -- why should I oppose that?  I don't.  Of course the Bible is the Word of God written, but that hasn't been the starting point in historic Christianity.

Cornelius Van Til and others in 1944 lodged a complaint against Gordon Clark's ordination/licensure within Van Til's denomination.  Not only did Van Til's group complain that the denomination was waiving the rules that Clark had to have 2 years seminary training; Clark was philosophically trained but not theologically -- but they complained that Clark was compromising major elements of the Faith.  Van Til said:

"The Christian doctrine of the knowledge of God is distinguished as well by its affirmation of the incomprehensibility of God as by its assertion of his knowability. The point does not need to be labored that the knowability of God lies at the very foundation of Christianity. That God can be known, and that he has given a knowledge of himself through his works and words, is pervasively taught in the Scriptures. The possibility and actuality of true religion depend upon the light and truth which God communicates to men. Skepticism and agnosticism are thoroughly anti-Christian." -- SOURCE: http://godshammer.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/the-complaint.pdf

Kenneth Talbot - The Hypocrite

Dr. Kenneth Talbot, president of Whitefield Theological Seminary has a history of compromising with the heresy of Hyper-Preterism. This history started when he utilized hyperpreterist leader, Sam Frost to help develop student materials for the seminary.  Next, Talbot has been documented as calling hyperpreterists; "brothers".  But perhaps the worse affront to the Christian Faith is when Talbot knowingly enrolled hyperpreterist leader; Larry Siegle into Whitefield's "minister's" program.  To whom does Talbot intend the hyperpreterist to minister with his Whitefield validated degree?

Maybe all of this wouldn't matter if Talbot presented himself as a liberal, "ecumenicist" -- we would expect such a "pastor" to be a compromiser but not only does Talbot present himself as Reformed but also as extremely orthodox.  This behavior from Talbot is disillusioning to Christians and makes it worse that Talbot's followers; in a sense of loyalty to him, help to cover up for him or even help to attack those who would dare point out what Talbot is doing.

What makes Talbot an even bigger hypocrite and one that even the hyperpreterists should point out; Talbot's self-made denomination, RCPGA released a statement in 2010 condemning hyperpreterism:

"Whereas, these views represent an attack upon and undermining of the holy catholic faith once delivered unto the saints,

Therefore, in the certain Hope of the Resurrection, at the Second Coming of Christ, and the Final Judgment at the end of history, the Reformed Presbyterian Church General Assembly does hereby find that Full Preterism, Hyper-preterism or any other Eschatological System promoting any one or all of these errors is errant, heretical, and apostate, being therefore contrary to evangelical orthodoxy." -- http://www.rpcga.us/SiteContent/65/documents/Against%20Unorthodox%20Eschatology%20(RPCGA%20Approved).pdf

Why does Talbot on one hand coddle Frost for 10 years, use him to help develop student materials for his supposed "Christian" seminary, enroll a hyperpreterist into a "minister's" program with intent to bestow a degree on him, call hyperpreterists "brothers", and even say his own eschatology is "akin" to David Chilton's (Chilton who was a documented hyperpreterist -- ref), and lastly we have this picture of Talbot and his wife eating dinner with Siegle, Frost and their wives.

Talbot is the man on the far front right, Siegle is behind Talbot and Frost is at the back left.  In light of 1 Cor 5:11 which says:

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person."

Sam Frost Thinks Hyperprets Hold the Scriptural High Ground

Hyperpreterists always like to act like they are the grand champions of Scripture and everyone else are simply "creedalists", yet they cannot explain WHAT, WHY, and HOW the Bible is the Bible...at least without undermining hyperpreterism itself.  Hyperpreterism's main premise is that for whatever reason; the Church fell flat on its discernment butt -- it supposedly grossly misunderstood and misinterpreted God's basic eschatological plan and instead, Christianity for 2000 years has been offering the world a lie when it comes to eschatology.

Well, now the champion of Clarkianism, Sam Frost has endorsed and validated the notion that hyperpreterists are the keepers of "Scripture as the Supreme Judge".  Frost, in his unbridled hatred of me quips about my interaction with his 3 hyperpret co-authors.

lol….I am watching Ed, Mike and Dave slam Roderick on Pret Compost……Never argue with a FP on their foundation of Scripture as the Supreme Judge…..they’ll get ya every time (rightly so). Green smashed Wilson on this point. (source)

It is no wonder that people see the Talbotite Clarkians as compromisers with Hyperpreterists; not only has Frost's mentor, Kenneth Talbot allowed a known hyperpret help develop student materials for his seminary, and enrolled a known hyperpret into a "ministers" course at his seminary; but Talbot even point blank told us his version of eschatology is "akin" to what hyperpret David Chilton taught (see here).

Now here is this snobbish, elitist Clarkian Talbotite telling people that the hyperprets hold the Scriptural high ground.  And people actually think Frost left the movement???  You could have fooled me.

Stripping Away Hyperpreterism's False Use of the Bible

Supposed ex-hyperpreterist, Sam Frost caught on to something.  In my opposition to the Clarkian method as opposed to the Mathison-Wilson-Gentry method of combating heresy (see here), Frost said this:

"[Roderick]  is trying to strip away the very thing from them that allows [full preterists] to START. He wants some vague “God sustains” axiom."

Well, Sam partially seems to understand it.  I'm trying to get hyperpreterists to tell me 3 things:

1. WHAT IS THE BIBLE? (why 66 books and no more or less)
2. WHY IS THE BIBLE THE BIBLE? (and not just any text)
3. HOW IS THE BIBLE THE BIBLE? (where did the Bible come from)

Indeed I AM fully admitting that I am trying to STRIP AWAY the false use of the Bible by the hyperpreterists.  Frost and his fellow Clarkians approach the Bible as if it was a logician primer text rather than the SUSTAINED Word of God.  The axiom that God Sustains is not vague.  If God doesn't sustain basic truth and the basic understanding of truth then all the Clarkian propositions in the world aren't going to help anyone.

Jason Bradfield Reveals Why Sam Frost Left The Hyperpreterist Movement

After months of hyperpreterists speculating as to why Sam Frost left the movement, Frost's protege; Jason Bradfield has finally revealed the real reason.  First, we know Frost's departure from the movement is not as clear-cut; after all, Frost STILL calls hyperpreterists his "brothers in Christ" and Frost maintains a podcast show co-hosted by hyperpreterist Mike Loomis.  Even Bill Hill of CovenantRadio.com distanced himself from his co-host Jeff McCormack when it became obvious that McCormack was promoting hyperpreterism (source).

Is Sam Frost the New "Roderick"?

Recently, hyperpreterist upstart Ken Palmer, said to former hyperpreterist big-shot, Sam Frost that he planned to be a "more vicious critic" of Sam Frost than I had been.  The problem is, Sam in essence is the "new Roderick" himself; after all Sam and his new suddenly orthodox tag-a-longs are using almost ALL of the arguments I've been using for years against hyperpreterism.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE

But the big difference between me and Sam/Talbotites is that I have been a just as "vicious critic" against the HYPOCRITES within the so-called "anti-hyperpreterist" camp.  I don't like dishonesty under any umbrella and will not long support someone who is dishonest no matter how much they try to play the "we're all in this together" card.  After all, I called out a seminary president for his blatant compromise.  What is Sam doing?  Toying around with some no-name hyperpreterist.  Sam has said that hyperpreterism/full preterism isn't Christian -- then let's see him put "feet to his faith" (as Sam's hyperpret buddy Mike Loomis wants to do with hyperpreterist universities, hospitals and such).  Let's see Sam tell Mike live on air that Mike is NOT his Christian brother.  Let's see Sam tell us that Don Preston is teaching an unChristian doctrine and like all known heretics that lead people astray needs to be sharply rebuked, not coddled and called "brother".

I think it is another reason even the hyperpreterists can't respect Sam and his mentor, Kenneth Talbot -- Sam and Talbot say out of one side of their mouths that hyperpreterism/full preterism is not Christian, yet out of the other side of their mouths Sam and Talbot embrace some of the smooth-talking hyperpreterists like Larry Siegle as "brothers".  Talbot is even going to train Siegle to be a "minister" -- before any repentance of the heresy of hyperpreterism.

No, Sam isn't my replacement.  Jason Bradfield isn't my replacement. Kenneth Talbot isn't my replacement.  PaulT Gates certainly isn't my replacement.  -- These men are all compromisers with the very error they claim to oppose.  And we know, C.H. Spurgeon once said:

Sam Popped The Bubble?

I am glad to hear that former hyperpreterist leader Sam Frost has left the movement. And during his recent exchanges with one of his former proteges', Mike Bennett it appears Sam won't be straddling the fence anymore. He is even using terms like "historic Christian Faith" -- what I have been arguing for since the get go -- no modified "Realized Preterism" for me. But Sam STILL needs to check his ego. He recently claimed this:

"I have single handedly popped their Full Preterist bubble, and many have come out of this movement as a result." -- source

Really? So, the YEARS and YEARS of work by folks such as Ken Gentry, Dee Dee Warren, Todd Dennis, Vince Krivda, PaulT, and myself had no effect? Sam takes credit for "single-handedly" popping the Full Preterist bubble???

Granted, Sam had many followers that have left due to his leaving but I think that had less to do with his arguments (especially since his arguments -- about it being about presupposition -- is in reality MY ARGUMENT), it has more to do with cronyism. Sam's followers are simply following where he is going. Not all of them mind you, but some.

Now, I don't want to detract from what is happening. I don't really care what the impetus was for these folks leaving the heresy of hyperpreterism. I'm just glad they left. However, the hypocrisy of Sam berating my arguments for years and then turning around and acting like they were his arguments and he has single-handedly caused many to leave the movement -- that is just an insult to folks who have been combating the heresy longer than he has. Please Sam, have some humility.

UPDATE:

Okay, as more proof that Sam needs help checking his ego, on April 27th during a podcast with a hyperpret named Mike Loomis, Sam again takes credit for supposed increased traffic on hyperpreterist websites. The hyperpret host even tries to temper Sam's ego by correcting Sam's statement that the increased traffic is "probably" due to Sam. Listen to this 20 second mp3 file:


http://thekingdomcome.com/sites/default/files/allaboutsam.mp3

This Is How To Leave A Heresy

I started this blog in December 2007 to UNDO what I had done by teaching and advocating the heresy of Hyper/Full Preterism. At the time, I was ridiculed by the hyperpreterists but now we see more and more high-profile people leaving the hyperpreterist movement. One such person is Jason Bradfield, whom anyone can tell you doesn't count me as a friend...even now. However I am constantly amazed how the Lord Jesus Christ works. Listen to this podcast Jason did and you will see he too sees the need to UNDO what he has done. There is no sweeping his past under the rug, or modifying his "preterism" into a "Chilton kind" or any such nonsense. Further, Jason understands and doesn't back down from the FACT that people who advocate hyperpreterism actually are deluded and need to repent of advocating it. Jason has stuck to his guns on this even after the perennial mushy-gushy hyperpreterist, Larry Siegle tried to lay on Jason with Larry's typical syncreticism.

Another thing that is important to note is that my ferocious opposition to men like Dr. Kenneth Talbot and Phil Naessens was in-line with what Jason is NOW saying -- I mean, if hyperpreterism is as distorted as Jason (and his mentor Sam Frost) are NOW saying; then men like Talbot and Naessens should have NEVER given it even a whiff of validation (by calling hyperpreterists "brothers" and such). So, whether Jason and Sam and some of these others are ever friendly towards me, perhaps they can NOW understand why hyperpreterism SHOULD be so ferociously opposed -- especially by men of the stature of Talbot. It continually broke my heart to see Talbot give ANY validation toward this heresy and thereby perhaps causing men like Jason to remain in it longer than he did.

Anyhow, take a few moments to listen to what Jason says NOW. It is a blessing.

Refuting Hyperpreterism: Presupposition VS Proof-text

After YEARS of hyperpreterists AND defenders of hyperpreterists (like Phil Naessens and Kenneth Talbot) criticizing me for CONSTANTLY pointing out that we should be battling hyperpreterism based on its presupposition rather than its proof-texts, former hyperpreterist Sam Frost AGREES with my approach. In a podcast aired March 30, 2011 Frost said:

"You can proof-text all day long. Anybody can proof-text Scripture and support their view. It's the PRESUPPOSITIONS, that's what you've got to attack. That's what you have to go over." -- Sam Frost (31 sec audio)

So what is the presupposition of Hyperpreterism?????? That God has been unable or unwilling to sustain truth and the basic understanding of truth for 2000 years. Folks THAT is the presupposition of the Full/Hyperpreterist position, no matter how they try to spin it. They MUST believe God failed. They can't say, "No, no men failed in not comprehending or in distorting God's basic eschatological plan." Ultimately God is the sustainer of truth and by the hyperpreterist presupposition, God has failed.

Now, will Sam Frost, Kenneth Talbot, Jason Bradfield, Phil Naessens and all of these people take back claiming I am a "slanderer"? No, because that would take some real humility and I just don't think they have it in them. It's good and well that Frost can say things like the quote above but never would they acknowledge THAT is what I've been saying ALL ALONG.