Showing posts with label rivers-of-eden. Show all posts
Showing posts with label rivers-of-eden. Show all posts

Thursday, November 14, 2013

The Man Full Preterists Hate the Most

While in June of 2010, then full preterist circuit speaker, Sam Frost said that I am "one of the most abhorred persons in the history of full preterism, it is now 2013-2014 and that honorable title has been passed to a new recipient. There is a fellow who has been a full preterist since the early years of the movement...that's the 1970 for you newbies. Because of the nature of his federal work, he chooses to use an alias. He currently uses the name "Rivers Of Eden" He consistently posts under this name so there is no attempt to hide his identity otherwise. Hey, it's not like he was a seminary president who went on a full preterist site using the name "superpreterist" and told his friends not to tell anyone it was him...oh yeah, that was Kenneth Talbot, the fraud of frauds (that's for you Jason Bradfield, you need a post to steal and repost on your cowardly site). Anyhow, back to the point.

WHY? 
Why do full preterists hate this guy so much? Well, first off, let me demonstrate the kind of hate they show him.  Full Pret, Dave Green often calls Rivers' "Rivers of Evil". (ref)  Although I'm not certain who first coined this name for Rivers, Green's buddy and fellow full pret, Michael Sullivan claimed it was "seasoned" full preterist, Larry Siegle. (ref)

Another fellow on Facebook, presumably a full pret named Joe Simpson even took to the Vaduva-Bradfieldesque approach of trying to elicit violence against Rivers by posting over and over, in what state Rivers supposedly lives.  How is this relevant? It is just bully tactics to try to get someone to shut up.  I've had bullies like Phil Nassens do this to me before, even posting the city where I live and where my daughter went to school.  Why?

But as for the reason these folks hate Rivers so much; it is because he is demonstrating what full preterism is if applied consistently. And if applied consistently, full preterism destroys a person's faith...or at least their ability to claim they are Christian in any historical sense.

CONSISTENT FULL PRETERISM 
To understand what is meant by consistently applied full preterism we must understand full preterism premises


  • It's all about audience relevancy
  • All is fulfilled


These two points sum up, beyond just "Jesus already came back" what it means to not only be a full preterist but how to think like a person who can become or is a full preterist.

Friday, September 21, 2012

AD70.Net In Ashes



Back in July 2010 I wrote an article about AD70.net (Preterist Radio) failing -- source. At the time, AD70.net founder, Michael Loomis ridiculed my assessment, all the while begging for money to keep himself afloat.  AD70.net continued to flounder since the writing of that article and Loomis continued to beg for support. (ref).  In case someone thinks I'm just making this sound worse than it is, read what Loomis himself says:

"I would like to think that Preterist Radio will be around for quite some time. However, reality is staring me in the face.  I’m broke. When Susan [Loomis' wife] left 6 months ago her income went with her and so the time has come where I must say that I no longer have the ability to sustain Preterist Radio.
I have invested the last 3 years of my life into Preterist Radio along with approximately $30,000 of my own money to keep it up and running. And I’m more than happy to continue on serving the preterist community but I can’t on my own.
I’m all tapped out." -- source
So, as you can see as I wrote in 2010, indeed AD70.net was/is failing.  However, I must commend Loomis for something.  As he has nothing to lose, he has become brave and restarted his podcasts with "Rivers-Of-Eden" (ROE) -- perhaps the most consistent preterist I've met.  ROE is an unassuming fellow who isn't trying to promote a website or write books or get donations.  He has repeatedly asked to debate Don Preston, yet Preston will not engage him.

Now, partly because Loomis restored to podcasts with ROE, AD70.net is losing even more support.  Loomis even says so:

"At this point in time I am doubting and questioning just about everything. I no longer believe that we are doing ourselves any favors by excluding anyone’s unique preterist views from our conversations. Since I made that announcement a number of people that don’t agree with me have withdrawn their financial support, making the future of Preterist Radio even more dim." --  source
Further, a rash of alternate Preterist Internet "radio" stations have begun popping up. It appears that some of the former AD70.net programs have moved to these other "stations".

So, while I might applaud Loomis for FINALLY getting real, no more FAKE "Antithesis Hours" with FAKE "elders", this doesn't change the reality that as I said in 2010, AD70.net was/is failing.  But who knows, maybe it will rebound with its now more honest, less money driven programming.  However, since there are not too many brave people in the world...not even among the so called "pioneers" within Preterism, it is more likely that AD70.net's support will continue to dwindle until Loomis must close shop.