Friday, April 8, 2011

Antithesis Hour 0002 - Time-Texts

OpposedThe second episode of the REAL Antithesis Hour will be recorded Thursday April 7th and uploaded by the 8th. During this show the hosts, Roderick Edwards and RiversOfEden will open the "mailbag" and discuss feedback from the first episode. We'll also address some of the latest developments.

Mt 10:23
Mt 16:27-28

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  1. Former hyperpreterist Sam Frost saying: "As far as consistency goes, RiversofEden knocks it out of the park. You may disagree with him, but, in light of 'all prophecy has been FULLfilled' FP certainly OPENS THE DOOR to what he and Tom Joseph say" -- source
  2. The resumption of the OLD Antithesis Hour by Hyperpreterist Mike Loomis and religionist Phil Naessens...especially note-worthy is how Naessens FURTHER validates the heresy of hyperpreterism by allowing himself to be depicted as being "brother in Christ" with Loomis -- REALLY? It is like a podcast with a Presbyterian and a Mormon calling themselves "brothers in Christ" -- Naessens is a religionist and a compromiser for sure if he goes around allowing Loomis to claim he and Loomis are "brothers in Christ". Sheesh.
  3. How OUR podcast is not "stealing intellectual property" from that OLD, defunct, now-attempting-to-retread version. It is like someone who created a steam-powered car claiming that the people who come along and create a hydrogen powered car as "stealing intellectual property" -- just because both run on water doesn't mean they are the same. As a matter we see how successful the steam-powered car was...about as successful as a program called "Antithesis Hour" that really contained no "antithesis" :-)

So, join us as we REALLY present Antithesis on the topic of Hyperpreterism. There will be no syncretic "middle ground" with us.

Matthew 10:23
When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

HP: assumption that “Son of Man comes” means Jesus coming back in AD70.
CALVIN: “But the difficulty lies in ascertaining what is meant by the coming of the Son of man Some explain it as denoting such a progress of the gospel, as may enable all to acknowledge that Christ is truly reigning, and that he may be expected to restore the kingdom of David. Others refer it to the destruction of Jerusalem, in which Christ appeared taking vengeance on the ingratitude of the nation. The former exposition is admissible: the latter is too far-fetched. I look upon the consolation here given as addressed peculiarly to the apostles. Christ is said to come, when matters are desperate, and he grants relief. The commission which they received was almost boundless: it was to spread the doctrine of the Gospel through the whole world. Christ promises that he will come before they have traveled through the whole of Judea: that is, by the power of his Spirit, he will shed around his reign such luster, that the apostles will be enabled to discern that glory and majesty which they had hitherto been unable to discover.” – source:
GILL: “till the son of man be come; which is not to be understood of his second coming to judgment, but either of his resurrection from the dead, when he was declared to be the Son of God, and when his glorification began; or of the pouring forth of the Spirit at the day of Pentecost, when his kingdom began more visibly to take place, and he was made, or manifested to be the Lord and Christ; or of his coming to take vengeance on his enemies, that would not have him to rule over them, and the persecutors of his ministers, at the destruction of Jerusalem.” – source:

Matthew 16:27-28
For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

HP: assumption that not all apostle die before an AD70 return to earth of Jesus.
CALVIN: “That the doctrine which has just been laid down may more deeply affect our minds, Christ places before our eyes the future judgment;… To support his disciples in the meantime, our Lord holds out to them, for confirmation, an intermediate period; as much as to say, “If it seem too long to wait for the day of my coming, I will provide against this in good time; for before you come to die, you will see with your eyes that kingdom of God, of which I bid you entertain a confident hope.” This is the natural import of the words; for the notion adopted by some, that they were intended to apply to John, is ridiculous…By the coming of the kingdom of God we are to understand the manifestation of heavenly glory, which Christ began to make at his resurrection, and which he afterwards made more fully by sending the Holy Spirit, and by the performance of miracles; for by those beginnings he gave his people a taste of the newness of the heavenly life, when they perceived, by certain and undoubted proofs, that he was sitting at the right hand of the Father.” – source:
GILL: “till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom; which is not to be understood of his personal coming in his kingdom in the last day, when he will judge quick and dead; for it cannot be thought, that any then present should live to that time, but all tasted of death long before, as they have done; for the story of John's being alive, and to live till then, is fabulous, and grounded on a mistake which John himself has rectified at the close of his Gospel: nor of the glorious transfiguration of Christ, the account of which immediately follows…rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in: though it seems chiefly to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews” – source:

See also Mt 26:64
Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

GILL: “"Sitting" there, denotes his having done his work; and his continuance in his exalted state, until all enemies are subdued under him: and when he says they should "see" him, his meaning is not, that they should see him at the right hand of God with their bodily eyes, as Stephen did; but that they should, or at least might, see and know by the effects, that he was set down at the right hand of God; as by the pouring forth of the holy Spirit upon his disciples, on the day of pentecost; by the wonderful spread of his Gospel, and the success of it, notwithstanding all the opposition made by them, and others; and particularly, by the vengeance he should take on their nation, city, and temple; and which may be more especially designed in the next clause;” – source:

See also Dan 7:13-15
I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

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