Sam Frost’s Frustrated Flood Theory

If you are following the wildly erroneous & speculation filled movement that is hyperpreterism, you will have noticed over the last few years that it has entered a new area of theological distortion.  Right before I left hyperpreterism, I warned the so-called “conservatives” in the movement that in the coming years the movement would be dominated by a new Creation/Flood theory proffered by two guys named Tim Martin & Jeff Vaughn.  They call their theory, “Covenantal Creationism” & is basically a view that sees the biblical creation account as merely localized/tribalized/covenantalized — that is, to them Genesis isn’t really about the creation of the physical universe, the physical planet, the physical humans, physical plants & animals but really only about a symbolic or contractual creation.  They even claim Adam was not the first created human but only the first human created into a “covenant” with God. (see my refutation of “Coventantal Creationism”)


Anyhow, it is happening — hyperpreterism is in the process of hyperpreterizing the Creation/Flood account (so much for hyperpreterism only affecting eschatology –  don’t let them fool you, it AFFECTS EVERYTHING folks)
Hyperpreterist leader, Sam Frost was originally opposed to “Covenantal Creationism” yet something seemed to change after his fellow hyperpreterists issued this stern warning:

Covenant Creation is spreading through the rank and files of the Preterist community. You are not necessarily privy to other forums where this is being discussed and understood. In a few years you and your site will become embraced only by the Ed Stevens and Kurt Simmons follower types of Preterism and maybe some reformed folks. The Covenant Creation understanding will move on into the mainstream leaving you guys in the dustbin of history as just another remnant of curiosity in about 5 or 10 years. Fifty years from now the questions being asked is “what happened to that Sam Frost guy who started out so good?” Will history simply say that he got “left behind”? (message to Sam Frost from a fellow hyperpreterist)

Shortly after that, Frost finally got around to writing a supposed refutation of Covenant Creationism, the only problem being, after the publishing of the stereotypically verbose Frostian offering Frost’s fellow hyperpreterists DIDN’T see it as a refutation of Covenant Creationism but more as a hybrid or even capitulation to Covenant Creationism.
After reading Frost’s supposed “refutation”, one hyperpreterist even comments:

Sam seems to have taken a “Partial Covenant Creation” position… Of course, the correct position is probably a “synthesis” of Tim and Sam. (comment by hyperpreterist about Frost’s view)

So you see, for whatever hyperpreterist claims I am just “smearing” Frost by saying his “refutation” was more of a pandering to the middle ground & not be “left behind” as his fellow hyperpreterists said he would — let them read comments by their own hyperpreterists.
But it doesn’t end there.  Recently the Covenant Creationism guys (Martin & Vaughn) responded to Frost’s supposed “refutation” & STILL, Frost’s fellow hyperpreterists think he was proposing some hybrid form.  Here is a  quote:

I thought you clearly presented a local flood view too. And I thought Tim did a good job of recapping exactly what you stated in your presentation. ok, now I really need some clarification on your part concerning the flood and your position. (hyperpreterist stating he thinks Frost is teaching a type of local flood)

Frost does clearly tell the hyperpreterist he doesn’t mean to teach a local flood yet then why can’t the supposed “presumed scholar” of the hyperpreterist movement make propositions that no one would mistake?  Perhaps it is either because he is trying to do a balancing (pandering) act or he really isn’t that great of a communicator as he is touted.  Either way, the little dance between the creation/flood factions of hyperpreterism is interesting AND I still think the Frostians will come out on the short end.  The Martin/Vaughn view is more consistent with the over all premises of hyperpreterism & will appeal to more of the “church of Christ” denominational background hyperpreterists than the Frostian elites holed up in their corner of the ningosphere.
But no doubt, Frost has the warning of his fellow hyperpreterist ringing in his head:

The Covenant Creation understanding will move on into the mainstream leaving you guys in the dustbin of history as just another remnant of curiosity in about 5 or 10 years. Fifty years from now the questions being asked is “what happened to that Sam Frost guy who started out so good?” Will history simply say that he got “left behind”? (message to Sam Frost from a fellow hyperpreterist)

Frost will never let that happen, he loves his position as the “presumed scholar” & will do whatever it takes to hold on to it…even pander or capitulate.