Monday, February 1, 2016

Echo Chamber of Preterist Groups

Well I left all preterist Facebook groups today after my benign comment was removed from a post that talked about how preterists take words literally. I compared that to when Democrats see words like socialism and think it just means being part of a social society. That when preterists encounter words like "come" they often read into it an interpretation of "come back" or "return". Or when they read words like "resurrection" in one place, they think it always means the same thing, even though there is clearly a resurrection the moment someone has faith and is "born again".  That resurrection didn't need to wait until AD70 or some future date.

I was told that comment was "confusing".  So, comments are deleted because they are confusing? Confusing whom? The echo chamber that doesn't want to ponder these potential connections? Anyhow, I've taken this as a sign to move on. If these simple connections are "confusing" to the new crop of preterists, then let them talk to each other un...unconfused. This leads me back to my plan to write a book on preterism. I think I'll dedicate the time I may have been using to interact with preterists on the groups, to finishing the book; especially since many of the people on these groups are new comers to the "movement" and have no idea what it was like in the 1990s during the heydays of the "movement".

You can take a look at some of the initial ideas for the book here:
I want to write it in a simple, matter-of-fact way, with the least amount of polemics as possible.


JaredMithrandir said...

Actually we're not Born Again when we're Saved, that is a common error in how we term things. Biblically we are Born Again at the Physical Resurrection.

Roderick_E said...

yet Jesus Himself said a person is BORN AGAIN in John 3:7-8
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit."
And again in John 11:23-26
"Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Saying the resurrection is only at a physical resurrection future seems directly contrary to Jesus' own teaching.

JBsptfn said...

Also, born again is actually born from above in the Greek. Jesus told Nicodemus that you need to be born of water and spirit to be saved (the water from the mother's womb and the spirit that is put into the human body).

Trent W. said...

Mr. Edwards,
What are the best resources for studying eschatology and partial preterism? What about the best resources to refute full preterism?
Much appreciated!

Roderick_E said...

Hi Trent. I'll respond this weekend

JBsptfn said...

Trent W, check this page out:

Tektonics: Eschatology (End Times) Hub

This site is run by J.P. Holding, a partial preterist.

Roderick_E said...

Hello Trent, oddly enough the first book besides the Bible that I would suggest isn't an eschatology book. Because the reasons people fall into preterism don't start with eschatology but with regula fidei or "rule of faith". Be it preterism or some other...well...heresy (that word is often used too lightly), they often begin with a disdain for an organized faith, a rule of faith, a measure of faith. But Jesus came to start a collective He called the Elect, or the ecclesia not a bunch of radical individualists just making it up as they go; using private interpretation. Christ handpicked apostles whom He painstakingly taught for 3 years to be the foundation of the Church. When people claim fallible men can undo all that in just a few years after AD70, it undermines God's efficacy.

Anyhow, I'd suggest starting with a book called The Shape of Sola Scriptura by Keith Mathison.
This will get your mind prepared to deal with the constant claim that preterism is merely holding to "sola scriptura" (they are not).
For other books I might suggest, see top10books