Is Sam Frost the New "Roderick"?

Recently, hyperpreterist upstart Ken Palmer, said to former hyperpreterist big-shot, Sam Frost that he planned to be a "more vicious critic" of Sam Frost than I had been.  The problem is, Sam in essence is the "new Roderick" himself; after all Sam and his new suddenly orthodox tag-a-longs are using almost ALL of the arguments I've been using for years against hyperpreterism.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE

But the big difference between me and Sam/Talbotites is that I have been a just as "vicious critic" against the HYPOCRITES within the so-called "anti-hyperpreterist" camp.  I don't like dishonesty under any umbrella and will not long support someone who is dishonest no matter how much they try to play the "we're all in this together" card.  After all, I called out a seminary president for his blatant compromise.  What is Sam doing?  Toying around with some no-name hyperpreterist.  Sam has said that hyperpreterism/full preterism isn't Christian -- then let's see him put "feet to his faith" (as Sam's hyperpret buddy Mike Loomis wants to do with hyperpreterist universities, hospitals and such).  Let's see Sam tell Mike live on air that Mike is NOT his Christian brother.  Let's see Sam tell us that Don Preston is teaching an unChristian doctrine and like all known heretics that lead people astray needs to be sharply rebuked, not coddled and called "brother".

I think it is another reason even the hyperpreterists can't respect Sam and his mentor, Kenneth Talbot -- Sam and Talbot say out of one side of their mouths that hyperpreterism/full preterism is not Christian, yet out of the other side of their mouths Sam and Talbot embrace some of the smooth-talking hyperpreterists like Larry Siegle as "brothers".  Talbot is even going to train Siegle to be a "minister" -- before any repentance of the heresy of hyperpreterism.

No, Sam isn't my replacement.  Jason Bradfield isn't my replacement. Kenneth Talbot isn't my replacement.  PaulT Gates certainly isn't my replacement.  -- These men are all compromisers with the very error they claim to oppose.  And we know, C.H. Spurgeon once said:

Hyperpret Larry Siegle Responds

Hyperpreterist Larry Siegle has been accepted to the M.Div program of Whitefield Theological Seminary (WTS).  WTS (through Kenneth Talbot) now has a history of validating hyperpreterism; first when Talbot was utilizing then known hyperpret leader Sam Frost to develop the schools Hebrew program and now as WTS accepts a known heretic to a program that WTS says is:

1. "designed specifically to train men for the office of minister."
2. "designed specifically to train men for Counseling in the ministry"

Larry recently responded to my criticism of WTS and Talbot's decision.  What follows is Larry's entire quoted comments along with my reply to Larry.

Hyperpreterism and Communism

Okay, whether a person thinks it is right or wrong; it is a matter of FACT that whether we look at pre-Roman Catholic, Roman Catholic, Greek/Eastern Orthodox, Syrian, Protestant/Reformed, Anabaptist, Modern Evangelical, Calvinistic, or Arminianistic expressions of Christianity; ALL of these are UNITED on 4 basic eschatological points: 

1) Jesus is yet to return.
2) Resurrection of the believers is yet to be.
3) Judgment of the wicked and righteous is yet to be.
4) End of sin and culmination of God's plan is yet to be.

ALL expressions of historic Christianity have AGREED on these basics, perhaps in more unity than on ANY OTHER doctrinal issue. Hyperprets that quote some random quote that sounds "full preterist" is disingenuous when it can always be shown that the ancient theologian they quote ALWAYS ultimately agrees with the 4 points above.

Whitefield Theological Seminary Continues To Validate Heresy

In October 2008 I wrote to Whitefield Theological Seminary (WTS) and to its president and founder, Kenneth Talbot concerning its relationship with then hyperpreterist leader Samuel M. Frost. Frost had long boasted that he in part arrived at his heretical position via the tools provided him by WTS and Frost had made a point of claiming he was accepted by Talbot as a Christian brother. This is confirmed by Talbot constantly calling Frost and other hyperpreterists, "brother" and validated by the FACT that Talbot was purportedly utilizing Frost to help develop the student Hebrew program for WTS. All of this while Frost was still hot and heavy into the heresy.

My inquiry to WTS and Talbot's surprisingly rather unChristian response (see full details), caused me to distance myself from the so-called "anti-hyperpreterist" community (and the feeling was mutual, as the anti-hyperprets saw in Talbot, a new champion despite his validation of heresy).

My contention then and now is unwavering; that a Christian or a Christian institution should NEVER appear to be validating known heresy. It doesn't matter if the institution is not the Church proper, it still wears the label of "Christian" and when a known heretic can use that institution's credibility to proffer him or herself as accepted within Christianity -- perhaps even as Christian -- then that Christian institution has done a great disservice to the Faith.

The Real Antithesis Hour Final Show

The Real Antithesis Hour will have presented 9 podcasts covering the definition and difference between Hyper (or Full) Preterism and historic Christian positions. I want to invite the many listeners to tune in June 16th Thursday for the final show in the series.

The final show will briefly cover the issue of the End of Sin and then wrap up with posing some specific questions to the full/hyperpreterist guest-host, RiversOfEden about his consistent variation of hyperpreterism and how it impacts daily life.

I want to thank the listeners and RiversOfEden. I believe that this series is the only kind like it; since much of the hyperpreterist movement spends time rehashing the time-texts or banning people from their sites rather than interacting with issues. On the other side, many anti-hyperpreterist sites are also caught with drama and egotism.

RiversOfEden and I have attempted to cut out the weather/sports/good ole boy chit-chat and get right into the meat of the discussion every week. We greatly appreciate all of the excellent listener questions and feedback. We may do more podcasts in the future but independent of this series. The series has served its purpose. Thanks again.

God bless and keep you,
Roderick Edwards

Mormons And Hyperpreterists: What's the Difference?

I have often made the connection that hyperpreterism is no more "Christian" than is Mormonism. Mormons ALSO appeal to Scripture. It has never been an issue about who does and doesn't read the Bible. Of course Mormons and Hyperpreterists read the Bible. The issue is INTERPRETATION of the Bible. Hyperpreterists like to ignore the presupposition that God sustains basic truth and the basic understanding of that truth, and even more especially among the New Covenant which has Jesus coming and revealing and explaining what the Old Covenant saints only saw in type and shadow behind the veil of Moses. If God doesn't sustain basic understanding of truth among Christians, then at any point along can come a charlatan boasting to have better understood God more than any other men ever in Christianity. Isn't this in effect what hyperpreterism claims???